Just did this myself and I came up with the same result as Stewart. Luckily I didn't peek at this thread before or I would probably have given up in confusion trying to understand what Tristan had done.

Another thing you may want to look at is the bending of the arms that connect to the roll bar. These are often blade shaped so that you can adjust their bending stiffness by turning them (by changing the area moment of inertia).

It mainly occurs if programsare running in the background, like firefox. Websites are full of flash ad' s and thinks like that. So having msn and firefox often means 3-5 programs in the background.

Note: The screen stays black. restart of lfs is needed.
Simple workaround, not changing from full screen to windowed and focus your life on sim racing (hmm wait there are more things in life )

Quote from Woz :

All it has let you see is that the physics have CHANGED between X & Y, nothing else. How can you tell which is realistic, you don't even know what realistic actually is!

I must say the old physics saved me from crashing me irl. In heavy rain avoiding an exhaust-pipe of a truck at 125km/h with lousy avon tyres on the car. How to cope with weight transfer is something i learned of lfs and the tyres of lfs are the same as avon shit*. So the old physics were already good, the new even better :headbang: But it is still not perfect which is impossible to achieve.

But on topic, keyboard control gives only a very rough impression of the speeds and capabilitys of a car. But i would like to see an server option to allow or disallow tc. The bf1 is great without the tc, although the tc is not very good it still gives an advantage which makes it very difficult to beat.

* not completly true, sportscar gt was also very good, but outdated

Hello all,

I still get sometimes the good old black screen bug when switchting from full screen to windowed mode and back to full screen.

system:
amd 6200 +x2
4 gbyte mem
ati HD 2900xt, 1920x1200x32bit colour@60Hz
nforce 590 "sli"
sound blaster x-fi
windows vista 64 bits, 100% up-to-date including the drivers

Problem also occured with some older versions of lfs on my "old "computer, which runs also different OS; windows 2000(nt 5.0). I tell this, to make sure nobody starts blamimg vista. I really hate microsoft, but i' m sure vista is not the cause of the problem.

Quote from DarkTimes :

Interestingly I had this problem for the first time yesterday, on South City Long in the FBM. I was going through the tight hair-pin where your speed drops very low, and I had an big stutter as someone joined, right as I was going over a bump. I ended up hitting the wall as I didn't have enough reaction time left to save the resulting slide.

I have the stutter back since patch.. don' t remember how long ago. Since patch Y it seems a bit worse.

Stutter from people leaving pits is still there and affecting racing.
Yesterday i nearly crashed because someone left pits.

Hopefully this will be fixed.

maybe an good idea if lfs just caches the new skins in memory during race? Avoiding disk i/o during race/driving?

I do have rather fast system, that is 100% absolutly sure not an issue. Athough installing an hardware raid controller with battery backup cache memory(for write caching) will fix the problem

Quote from samjh :

So the question is where does the excess aero coefficient come from?

If the FOX isn't based on the real FR 2.0, then I can understand the difference. It's just that the Wiki says that's what it's based on.

It could also be the tyres which generate way to much heat. At max pressure zero toe-in or out, they get hot just by driving straight. So much rolling resistance must have an influence on top speed. I estimate once this is corrected, top speed will increase 2-6 km/h for the fox.
Topspeed near 240km/h on normal track like kv national sounds a lot better

Quote from garph :

It might effect the server as you would be using some of your own bandwidth to upload to the skin to LFS world and thus leaving a little less for your connection between you and the game server.

If a few people were doing this all at the same time or if someone had a not so great connection it could effect the rest of the server, i.e. 1 or 2 people lagging out the rest of the server. But I dunno if it would really be that bad, probably not.

I'd still rather every use every bit of their bandwidth on the game though (also not using MSN, P2P, that kind of stuff), it's easy enough to just upload the skins as you do now.

hmm
2+mbit down and 500kbit/s upload connections are very common now. I have a cheap connection, 1mbit/s up, 4mbit/s down guaranteed, unlimited data usage.

I think it is not a problem to upload skins automaticily, it would be great i think.

Configarable limit on the speed to upload skins (1-25kbyte/s) and limit download speed of skins(1-80) would be great!

wishlist?

Quote from sinbad :

If you just turn the TC off in a car running a setup designed to work with TC, then it becomes very very difficult to even come close to TC enabled pace. I don't imagine the F1 teams have changed nothing else either though, to compensate for the lack of TC.

I've had it "drivable" but the fast setups don't use the TC for fun, and you have to compromise the outright speed to keep it manageable. If someone has a no-tc setup for the BF1 I'd be interested to try it. Remember driving it is one thing, driving it quick is quite another. I'd be impressed if someone can stay within 0.5s per minute of a TC enabled car. (oval doesn't count before someone says that)

The TC in lfs is not even close as being how good the tc on an real F1 one car was. The BF1 is therefore already usually setup for a very simple type of traction control and in corners feels like driving without TC. Real F1 drivers just floored it in corners, because the computers did all the work to keep the car on track. Making overtaking sometimes impossible.

However, totally without TC, the bf1 is also very good to drive. But If a track has slow corners with on exit of those slow corners a few big bumps, you don' t stand a chance againt cars with tc. I don't think any setup can fix that.

OT:
I don't use back buttons, only new tabs. I've still seen FF use 700 MB. I like FF and use it almost exclusively. It has a great list of features (although only you if go hunting for add-ons yourself, vanilla FF is meh) but speed, responsiveness and hardware efficiency certainly aren't on that list.

For example one thing FF really needs is dual core support. It's so annoying that using the tab I'm on always gets slow and laggy whenever FF is loading other tabs in the background. But somewhere I read an article by a FF dev who thinks that multi-threading sucks and we won't see it in FF any time soon...

With many FF fanboys I get the impression that they don't really care about the software itself, they just think "hey, it must be great and fast stable and all that because open source is so great and Microsoft is so evil".

Last edited by J.B., Fri 8 Feb 2008, 10:38.

Quote from TechAde :

It's rather complicated and a little beyond my capabilities to explain before at least my 3rd coffee of the morning!

http://shsc.info/WindowsMemoryManagement

That's about the best description of windows memory management I could find with a quick google, hope it helps.

Thx, that kind of helped.

What I basically got out of the article is that both "VM Size" and "Mem Usage" are pretty inaccurate ways to tell you if you're running out of RAM. But if you are running out of RAM, which you can notice by harddisk thrashing and the "available physical memory" value, then "VM Size" is (sometimes? always?) the better indicator of who the culprit is.

Right?

Last edited by J.B., Fri 8 Feb 2008, 09:50.

Quote from TechAde :

Check post #4 above... the total shows virtual memory i.e. pagefile use, you can turn on that column in the process list

What does it mean? I thought Virtual memory was pagefile.sys not real RAM?

Get Firefox is about the most clueless advice you can give someone with RAM problems.

I recently had the same problem where RAM was full but Taskmanager processes didn't add up. In my case MS Virtual PC was the culprit. I guess you just need to close the programs one by one to see which one is using all the RAM.

This was the first time I can remember that I thought of starting up NASA TV in time. I watched quite a lot of the pre show but of course at the time of the actual launch I got lagged out like crazy.

http://video.google.com/videop ... 41418146&q=sam+harris

What he said.

Quote from zeugnimod :

Noooo.

It's only a close second behind this.

Second yes. Close no.

Disagree. Racism is in a different league. It means that you think you can judge genetic worth by observing qualities like skin colour or skull shape or whatever. If there's one thing we learned in the last 100 years then it's that that is ethically totally unacceptable.

Good to see the FIA didn't take long to react. And if FA doesn't react it won't exactly help his reputation that people in his fan club think LH is a "black shit".

The plot thickens.
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/br ... story/0,,-7278442,00.html

Behaving like idiots is one thing. Racism is quite another.

Last edited by J.B., Sun 3 Feb 2008, 13:50.

Quote from Stigpt :

thats cause in old formulas, they were bottoming out the susp via downforce, so it was way more gently than you crashing hard on that exit.
Plus, your not actually DAMAGING it. more like wearing the damper out, due to the extreme bang.leave it for qual and sprints, raise the car a tad for races.
Why do you think race sets sometimes are a tad higher?

Real Race-cars can handle it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQOUKHVydqc
full speed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... mqMqc&feature=related

" so it was way more gently than you crashing hard on that exit."
I dissagree, its a normal bottom out of a formula car. If it is a really big bump, raising the ride heigth a little would not help protect the car. Also ride heigth, springs, dampers ar already setup on the high side(but not extreme!)

Dampers do not break from bumps, they wear out faster. But...dampers last very long so wear out effect is not important unless you are doing 48+ hour races. A normal bottom-out does not give problems for the dampers in the real world.
The springs might break, but it is very difficult to do it. In real world it usually takes months or years of heavy loading or an production fault.


So for now i do have to raise the ride heigth and wait and see in the next patch

Breaking news: sports followers act emotionally at sports event! *gasp

Search for the links with "passionate" Ferrari fans at Monza and Damon Hill death threats at Hockenheim yourself. Until I see something more substantial like a picture of a thrown object lying in the track I'm calling overhyped BS on this story.

Quote from rjm1982 :

Actually, most race cars DON'T have smooth underbodies...they did for a bit, then they realized that's a terrible idea...remember the Mercedies and the other (Porsche, Jag? ... i forget) lifting off on a straight piece of track and doing backwards flips?

Open wheel cars still use smooth bottom plates, but thats's because the car's arent shaped like normal cars...which have a profile similar to a wing...and a smooth bottom promotes more airflow under the car, meaning air under is moving much faster than the air over the car...which is what gives a wing lift...all you have to do at that point it give it a positive angle of incidence (lift the nose just a bit) and you have a flying car...

Correct, thats why its a shame the front and rear ride height does not affect downforce. even with a bottom not completly flat, lifting the nose will still guarantee a take off with the bf1,fo8,fox and the gtr' s, because the bottom is always near flat, good enough at high speeds with nose up to get cars into the air. Thats also why all cars nowadays are setup with nose down, including normal road-cars. Every car suffers from this aerodynamic effect, because indeed the entire car can be described as a giant wing. Also you get ground-effect from low ride heights; allthough for low race-classes and road-going cars this effects are minimal but it is there.

I hope in the next patch aero effect of ride height will be present, it will mean the end of all current setups and a big move to more realistic setups, which will be all as low as possible(for faster race-classes) because of the aerodynamics.

Anyway on topic
I like the idea of better textures on bottom of the cars, gives just a bit better feel and look to lfs .

Quote from Stigpt :

its the dip after the long backstraight. As you come off the highway, your car bounces on the ground, on the left side. Raise your car a little bit, and it will stop.

I have never seen a formula car getting damage from bottoming out.

Look at F1 cars before 1994, all the nice sparks when fully fueled on straights lap after lap.Since 1994 a wooden plank which is not allowed to be wear more then 1 mm has ended the time of low ride heights for formula one cars.

I agree, if you set suspension(ride height) way too low, the car should get damage, however NOT the suspension. And it will still take rather extreme bottom outs to get damage to the undertray espacially since such cars often have pads on the bottom to protect the car.

Increasing ride height does solve the problem, but irl nobody cares if the car bottoms out at such a corner. But we have to?.. nah not right. Well..ok in F1 they do because they get disqualified if that stupid plank wears too much.

Last edited by Bluebird B B, Sun 3 Feb 2008, 00:20.

There are cases when people get killed because they are too young for the powerful cars they drive (more parents fault IMO). This isn't one of them. You don't need a powerful car to unsuccessfully try to take off the end of a runway.

And the idea that young people in slower cars don't like to put their foot down. Are you kidding me? How old are you? Have you ever been with friends in cars in the first couple of years of them having a driver's license? The ones I've known certainly didn't have fast cars but that doesn't mean that 170 km/h in a rattling 45 bhp Fiat Uno isn't an exiting thing to do at that age.

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

Any small airport has open access. Two of my neighbors have private planes (a Cessna 170 and a BEAUTIFUL Cirrus SR-22.) I've been on rides with them, and all you do is literally drive onto the runway and then drive over to your plane (which, by the way they don't park at the end. That giant loop is solely for taxiing and making u-turns.) I could drive over to my local airport right now (about 3 miles away) and just drive straight onto the runway and fool around if I wanted to.

Thx for info, didn't know that. Even a bit surprising considering the über paranoid security you get at bigger airports.

Last edited by J.B., Sat 2 Feb 2008, 23:17.

100% agree!! +1 ! With the topic starter
I often just have to know i which gear the car is, because in many cars i can' t see the gear indicator.

Hello,
Today i was driving at so sprint rev 1 with the fox. I noticed the rear left suspension got damage but i did not hit anything to get big damage from.

The set i used, has average ride height, spings and dampers. Yet the suspension just cant handle the load

I attached a replay of it.